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Title: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 13, April, 2017, 12:49:06 PM
Need some advice/opinions form the resident GurusÖor anyone really J
Iím in the market for a new bike.Iím currently on an Anthem 1 with a few upgrades (wheels/dropper/1X etc) itís 100mm travel.
I have an opportunity to buy a Rocky Mountain Instinct 2016 similar to (http://www.bikes.com/en/bikes/instinct/2016#/models/instinct-999-msl (http://www.bikes.com/en/bikes/instinct/2016#/models/instinct-999-msl)) 130mm travel/Full carbon/carbon wheels Ė the lot..
I took it out last Sunday and was impressed, it felt perfect. It has a changeable geometry which can slacken the HA but I left it on the sharpest HA.
Considering I already have a pretty decent XC bike in the Anthem the 130mm travel  of the Instinct psychologically at least feels a little close to the Anthem and below the requirement for a good portion of the spins out there.
I suppose Iím looking for an aggressive trail /all mountain bike Ė good on the ups and on the downs and suits my fitness/skill level. Iím also considering canyon/yt/radon and other manufacturerís bikes in the same general category.
I havenít ridden any similar bikes and while I thought the Instinct was super that may be due to lack of comparison/experience and being a little star struck so to speak.
Anyone got experience with the Instinct? Would carbon drive me mad with paranoia  about scuffs,scraps & knocks?
Any thoughts or advice on buying something more aggressive than my XC?
 
Thanks
jonny
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Liam Phelan on 13, April, 2017, 01:22:29 PM
Don't know if I said it to you last Saturday but it's hard to beat the YT Jeffsy when it comes to value for money.


Both YT Jeffsy and Canyon Strive are winning plenty of awards and are both value for money.


But if you don't mind splashing out, I'm sure the Instinct will be fine.


You will need to get these though. ;-)


(http://www.laxzo.com/ekmps/shops/jsphshi/images/exustar-bc600gd-poly-carbonate-gold-water-bottle-cage-for-bicycle-bike-cycling-[2]-17294-p.jpg)
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: muckwarrior on 13, April, 2017, 01:36:09 PM
Holy shit, the price on that Rocky Mountain  :o


If you had to have only one bike then it looks good. But I agree in that if you already have an XC bike that you're keeping, then I'd go a bit further up the spectrum and get something more aggressive.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 13, April, 2017, 04:38:11 PM
You can be sure i would never pay that price for a bike  :)


The Jeffsey definitely has my attention - haven't seen any real reviews of the 27.5 version though only the 29er and while I really liked the 29er wheels of the Instinct I'm not convinced they are the right choice for me.


must get one of those bottle cages though. two is a bit much really...


Jonny
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Mudslinger on 13, April, 2017, 09:53:07 PM
Jonny,  I just got a jeffsey recently after being on a hard tail for years. It sails over any rough stuff. Its well capable of long xc spins and no problem doing enduro type spins either.
Bit paranoid too about carbon and getting scratches,  but its a mtb at the end of the day.
Id be thinking about what type of spins you plan on doing and if you'll be racing any enduros where an extra bit of travel might help.
Heading to 3 rock on Monday if you want to try a rip on the jeffsey.


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: heyjay on 13, April, 2017, 10:12:17 PM
How's things Jonny, have you considered Commencal? The meta TR just received MBR trail bike of the year. Or if you want to go more aggressive again iv been using the Meta AM for the last few weeks and love it. Feel free to drop me a message sales@epic-cycles.ie or check out my website https://www.epic-cycles.ie

Also if you'd like to demo the Meta you're more then welcome. Again just drop me an email and we can sort it out. Discount for Mad members too ;)
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 14, April, 2017, 01:58:40 PM
Thanks Lads,
Ronan - I'll take you up on that - see you Monday.
Jay - yes was looking at the Commencal alright, only problem I saw was the travel on the TR is same as the Rocky mountain I am considering and the AM is probably a bit too aggressive for my needs. I'm keeping an open mind until I've had a chance to check out some bikes, so will be in touch should the Commencal become an option.




cheers
Jonny
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: SoaringPanda on 14, April, 2017, 03:12:46 PM
I'd check out the Santa Cruz Bronson. Loads of build kits and it's available in Aluminium and Carbon. Plus with Santa Cruz you get a lifetime frame warranty and free replacement bearings for life. It's 150mm rear and either 150mm or 160mm fork. I'd also highly recommend the Hightower but it's carbon only for the moment.


Specialised Stumpjumper is another fantastic bike and is available in Aluminium/Carbon and 650b/29er. They no distributor in Ireland at the moment but you can get them from Evans Cycles in the UK or send Paddy Behan a message on social media, he ran their Enduro team and is setting them up again in Ireland I think. He offered me a test ride of a Stumpjumper when I was thinking of the 29er model.


Devinci Troy is another bike I'd consider. 140mm rear and 150mm fork. Again carbon or Aluminium and savage bang for your buck.


Anything with 130mm to 150mm rear travel and a 150mm to 160mm fork is going to be a great bike for Irish trails and will be incredibly versatile for a whole range of spins.


If you really fancied the Rocky Mountain have a look at the Instinct BC edition. It's the same frame but with a burlier and more aggressive parts spec. 
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 14, April, 2017, 03:50:08 PM
Thanks Steven . Have checked out a few of those already and will take a look at the others you suggest. Haven't decided 29er/27.5 or Alu/carbon. So even more things in the mix there. I did see the BC edition of the instinct - too pricey new unfortunatley


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Craigsy on 14, April, 2017, 04:09:57 PM
Devinci Troy is another bike I'd consider. 140mm rear and 150mm fork. Again carbon or Aluminium and savage bank for your buck.

I'm biased but the Troy is a savage bike. Punches well above its weight, can pedal all day long and take on the burliest of tracks. Mines hasn't been phased by all day long spins to EWS races. They've a range of models and builds on offer now and the prices have come down.

Mines there if ya want to check one out
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: dom17 on 14, April, 2017, 07:10:04 PM
I'm biased too Johnny


check out the reviews on the Transition Patrol
155 rear 160 fork
a beast of a bike
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: SoaringPanda on 15, April, 2017, 11:58:43 AM
I'm biased too Johnny


check out the reviews on the Transition Patrol
155 rear 160 fork
a beast of a bike


Good shout. Another savage bike.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: muckwarrior on 15, April, 2017, 12:13:53 PM
At this stage it might be easier to list the bikes that aren't bleedin deadly :)

Couple of years now, but when I was buying nobody came close to Canyon and YT for value. They also happened to be two of the most highly regarded bikes around so it's not like it was a compromise. Very happy with the strive. It blasts down trails I was too scared to ride on my old bike, and is remarkably good on the climbs.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Ratz on 15, April, 2017, 12:17:49 PM
Jonny, Paddy behan is enda's brother, I forgot about that. Have a chat with Enda. Could get you a test spin.

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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: dom17 on 15, April, 2017, 01:08:28 PM
At this stage it might be easier to list the bikes that aren't bleedin deadly :)

Couple of years now, but when I was buying nobody came close to Canyon and YT for value. They also happened to be two of the most highly regarded bikes around so it's not like it was a compromise. Very happy with the strive. It blasts down trails I was too scared to ride on my old bike, and is remarkably good on the climbs.


That sounds like a biased opinion to me  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 15, April, 2017, 04:32:46 PM
Cheers guys. Yt and canyon are definitely at the top end of my list . They usually have offers too which makes it even harder to resist. I'm still keeping an open mind though besides all the biased opinions - keep them coming by the way. As I often say at work " I feel a spreadsheet coming on".
Cheers
Jonny


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: krezi on 15, April, 2017, 07:03:07 PM
I was torn between yt canyon and giant and went for giant reign. What swayed it for me was life time warranty on frame, service network and price was the cheapest due to discount I got and fx rate as was buying abroad. Also wanted shimano spec and not sram as easier servicing bleeding brakes etc I do myself. There are no bad bikes these days so try as many as you can and you can't go wrong

Paul
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: SoaringPanda on 15, April, 2017, 10:01:52 PM
Speaking of Giant bikeology have a savage deal on a Trance SX at the moment.


Your head must be wrecked with all these suggestions haha
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 15, April, 2017, 10:59:47 PM
Absolutely melted !!!
I have literally spent all day trawling through bike sites and I'm even less clear and more fussy . Grrrrrrrrr.
Anyone ride a radon ?
Is boost a factor worth considering ?
Fox or rockshox ?
The list goes on and on....



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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Mudslinger on 16, April, 2017, 12:01:35 AM
Nigey has a radon, I was very close to getting one, has a bit more travel than the jeffsey.
You wont get much better value for money for the price of the radon.

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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: dom17 on 16, April, 2017, 07:47:15 AM
Johhny just to melt your head some more  ;D ;D ;D


I'll give you Johnbellings unbiased opinion look at the propain


Radons do look good value though


personally I like to buy local though because when something goes wrong (which happens ask Liam ) you can take it back to the shop as opposed to sending it back.


Did you look at the Mondrakers hehehehehe



Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Eric on 16, April, 2017, 10:39:02 AM
loads of options and very few "bad" bikes been made now it seems .
i went with a Whyte  t130 crs, all the reviews raved about it and ive been impressed so far although not getting to use it much   .
i was seriously thinking of the jeffsey but they were out of stock /plus bike to work wouldn't have been an option.

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension/product/review-whyte-t-130-rs-49985/ (http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension/product/review-whyte-t-130-rs-49985/)
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 16, April, 2017, 12:36:51 PM
Jesus Dom. You trying to bankrupt me ..
Thanks Eric . The T130 just became a contender for my hard earned cash.


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Conor on 02, May, 2017, 07:42:45 PM
Have you bought anything yet?? If not just a quick question.  Are you going to race the enduro  series? If so then fire ahead and get a 150mm beast.  If not, then why buy an "enduro" bike? Sure we'd all love a dozen different bikes but ask most if the lads who posted already have they maxed out any of their bikes? Or even come close to the bike not being up to the job/trail you're on? I'd guess the answer is probably no. Just ride the bejaysus out of your anthem and enjoy yourself, spend your money on a big holiday!

2nd. If you want yet another opinion on what to buy, I've a Cotic Solaris with 120mm fork and I've no difficulty keeping with lads on far bigger/better bikes.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 03, May, 2017, 11:27:25 AM
Hey Conor, fair points although 120/29er is probably a bit more capable than a 100mm/27.5, plus your a lot more capable than I am.
I don't intend to race but I am finding myself shying away from some of the more aggressive spins. I love the Anthem but staring at the top of my front wheel on tricky descents is becoming a pain - yes my ability is a factor in that but a bike with a bit more oomph will make it more enjoyable and help build confidence I reckon at least. I have the bug now so turning back is unlikely , the kids are just going to have to wait till next year to go to Mosney :-)
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: will_c on 03, May, 2017, 01:07:59 PM
Out of interest, have you looked at a Vitus Escarpe or Sommet? Very competitively priced, and come with builds to rival much more expensive bikes.


http://vitusbikes.com/2017-products/


I have an 2013 Sommet (26" wheels!) and I love it. Climbs as good as my fitness allows, and class on the descents too. I haven't been on a trail yet where I felt under-biked. The new models are 650b and theres an Escarpe 29er option too. I found the Chain Reaction customer service great with any questions I ever had too.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 03, May, 2017, 08:52:23 PM
Thanks Will. I'll check those out.


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: SoaringPanda on 05, May, 2017, 09:45:03 AM
Canyon have discounts on selected models at the moment Jonny.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 05, May, 2017, 11:15:26 AM
Thanks Steven . The one I'm most interested in is still full price at the moment. I'm keeping a close eye on it though. They are always doing deals, hopefully it's just a matter of time .


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Muddy-Fox on 05, May, 2017, 07:57:59 PM
You only live once Jonny !!!
Live life to the Max and have no regrets !
Get yourself a Bouncy Bike, you will have Savage Fun *



* Guaranteed

Conor is a great Rider, one of my Heroes


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 06, May, 2017, 07:30:32 AM
Hehe. Nice Sean . That's what I need to hear


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Conor on 06, May, 2017, 01:38:23 PM

Conor is a great Rider, one of my Heroes


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😘
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: WeekendWarrior on 08, May, 2017, 08:05:24 PM
Thanks Will. I'll check those out.


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Biking.ie rent the Vitus Escarpe if you wanted to try one out. I rented one on Sunday in Ballinastoe, very capable bike.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Alexey on 30, May, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
Jeffsey's are on good discount now (S and M models only AFAIK). Only 29" though.
https://www.yt-industries.com/en/products/bike-outlet/
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 31, May, 2017, 11:16:33 PM
I'm tempted. But I'm leaning towards a 27.5. That could change tomorrow though...


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 24, June, 2017, 10:51:32 PM
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The search is over. Till the next search


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: krezi on 25, June, 2017, 05:21:28 PM
Wow this is lovely! It's the carbon model with carbon wheels??
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 25, June, 2017, 11:11:16 PM
Yep. Got a deal I couldn't refuse. Somewhat over budget. But hey it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission sometimes


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: krezi on 26, June, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Yep. Got a deal I couldn't refuse. Somewhat over budget. But hey it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission sometimes


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great stuff! No better feeling than getting a new bike! Think about wrapping it up in a protective foil. I should have done it but never did. Looking forward to seeing this beast
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 26, June, 2017, 10:54:03 AM
already done :-). HeyJay (Epic cycles) did a fine job for me - full invisiframe  and I got the brakes swapped over too. ready to rock!
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: David D on 26, June, 2017, 04:12:58 PM
Nice one Jonny. Enjoy


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: GEO147 on 02, August, 2017, 10:52:41 PM
Lovely bike. First thing I would do is get rid of the Nobby Nics. The front washes out too easily with them. Dont ask me how I know.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 03, August, 2017, 01:55:19 PM
You know what I have come to that conclusion myself actually. Have had two fairly big spills since I got it. Both were completely out of the blue front wheel just disappeared. Wrecked my stanchion too.
Anyone recommend a good replacement ? Cheers


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: dom17 on 03, August, 2017, 02:19:21 PM
Yeah let me ride it  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 03, August, 2017, 02:49:12 PM
Haha. That's not a bad idea actually. You can give me a crosser


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: krezi on 03, August, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
Nobby nics come in different types and sizes.... The worst performing from schwalbe range are those called performance.... you would be surprised they come standard on many pricey bikes and you would better avoid those! Then you have trailstar vs pacestar variety- first ones are more grippy and usually put on the front. I run 2.35 nobby nics trail up front and 2.25 pace on the rear on my all mountain bike and quite happy with this set up. If you're looking at more enduro orientated tyre than magic Mary is one of the best out there in both dry and wet . the only drawback is tyre weight but who would worry about it on enduro rig anyways!
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 04, August, 2017, 12:12:34 PM
Thanks Pawel . The trance comes with the trail/pace setup that you mentioned . Still find the front sketchy though . Maybe I'm taking more risks on the bigger bike - better pilot ( like Dom for example ) may be required....


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Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Stephen McMullan on 04, August, 2017, 12:19:52 PM
Hey Jonny, I'm not exactly a role model for technique but I've done a lot of trial and error to be fair and these "scientific" experiements usually result in a bit of blood and skin loss. There are all sorts of changes you could make e.g. running lower pressure, wider rims, different tyres, more aggresive thread etc etc

One thing I did notice however when riding more aggresive bikes (in terms of geometry) was of course tackling steeper trails and I still had the tendency to go back...way back....and as a result there wasn't much weight on the front wheel and it was barely tracking in control and then the least bump, root, schlipiness and it was washout time

Might be an idea to check if you're too far back on the bike or get someone to check your positioning on the bike, attack position etc when things get aggro

Needless to say I'm still working on this myself and I have all sorts of aggro tyres

Vigilante up front / Vigilante/Breakout/Trailboss on the back depending on the weather/distance pedalled

Minion DHF/High Roller front and rear depending on....just depending
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Liam Phelan on 04, August, 2017, 12:23:18 PM
Did it happen going over bumps? Good it be quick rebound maybe?


Had nobby nicks before on the canyon, thought they were fine.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: muckwarrior on 04, August, 2017, 12:32:46 PM
Second what Stephen said. I remember how you were saying how the front wheel seems so much farther out in front compared to your old bike, this means your weight should probably also be farther forward to keep enough weight on it. This can be difficult when you're used to a steep head angle and are afraid of being thrown over the bars. Also remember, as a general rule, go low before going back. It should be pretty rare that you actually need to hang off the back.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Stephen McMullan on 04, August, 2017, 12:47:08 PM
...go low before going back...

I like that. I'm going to try and keep that in mind specifically on muddy trails. I'm finding when things get slippy I'm reacting by going back and braking....WRONG!
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: SoaringPanda on 04, August, 2017, 12:47:16 PM
In terms of weight on the front end I found lowering the stem height helps your riding position. I also run less pressure in the front tire.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: muckwarrior on 04, August, 2017, 01:00:02 PM
...go low before going back...

I like that. I'm going to try and keep that in mind specifically on muddy trails. I'm finding when things get slippy I'm reacting by going back and braking....WRONG!
Another extremely useful thing I only learned relatively recently is to hinge at the hip when getting low. Probably doesn't apply to everyone, but I used to be guilty of squatting and bending my back instead of my hips. Here's a good video explaining the difference.
Title: Re: New Bike: Advice needed...
Post by: Jonny on 04, August, 2017, 02:14:06 PM
Great info guys. Guess the tyres are just one part of a complex equation and I should look at each of those parts before just shelling out. Suspension setup is definitely something I'm not totally comfortable with so maybe  looking for some pointers from the gurus on the next spin. Thanks again for the response .


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