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Title: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: simonr on 13, January, 2018, 01:20:33 PM

I've entered this again this year after taking a break last year - was chatting to Colm and Juan - hope you guys are still up for this so we can do some training together and hopefully do the event in a mini MAD peleton.


Creating this thread for discussion on the build up - others more than welcome.


I'm mainly doing it as prep for BC Bike Race and will probably be somewhere in the region of 7 - 8 hours moving time for completion - happy to take the food stops though!!

Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: cbpos1989 on 13, January, 2018, 01:25:13 PM
So is the sign up open yet? Forgot to check myself. If so will definitely be on for this. Was even trying to convince Niamh on our spin last night to sign up for it as well.

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Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: simonr on 13, January, 2018, 01:38:19 PM
So is the sign up open yet? Forgot to check myself. If so will definitely be on for this. Was even trying to convince Niamh on our spin last night to sign up for it as well.

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Well they took my money!
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: cbpos1989 on 13, January, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
Just registered so no backing out now. Better start upping my training.

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Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: Reckless on 16, January, 2018, 06:10:45 AM
I think yed be able for it - but I would recommend some long days out on the bike before it, cramp was the real killer I found.
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: shortcut on 16, January, 2018, 11:17:56 PM
Can't think of a reason not to pop over for this. So will likely sign up and figure out logistics later.
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: FrankK on 17, January, 2018, 07:17:40 PM
Iíd be interested in joining the training spins, though I wonít be going fast on the day. I did a good few spins before last year and strangely found in more difficult building up to 60km than 100+


When do you want to start? 
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: cbpos1989 on 18, January, 2018, 07:44:13 PM
Iíd be interested in joining the training spins, though I wonít be going fast on the day. I did a good few spins before last year and strangely found in more difficult building up to 60km than 100+


When do you want to start?


Not sure what Simon was planing. Myself I'd be looking to get out on some mid-week training spins, weekends are primarily for the mountain bike. Would look to maybe do some spins up around the bohernabreena reservoir some climbs around that way to get you in shape. Could maybe try arrange something for next week or so if your up for it?
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: FrankK on 19, January, 2018, 04:25:03 PM

@colmIíll try a midweek spin, I may need to upgrade my commuting lights for those roads.
Any day bar[size=78%](no rain, little wind and temp)[/size][/size][size=78%] Tuesday is good ;)[/size]
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: simonr on 19, January, 2018, 04:30:04 PM
In previous years I have prepared by riding the mountain bike a good amount and then doing some progressively longer road spins as it approaches.

Starting with 100km, 130km, 160km.

Simple as.

But can do more than that. I'm not a fan of winter road biking!
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: saccades on 02, February, 2018, 01:13:52 PM
They changed the course last year, way harder again as the old long hill hits you straight away and has a much worse surface to roundwood.


They removed the avoca git of a climb with a really steep but short road out of the valley, which is much better.


But right at the end you have windgates (aka most of bray head) and the big drag out of enniskerry, with 180km plus in the legs it's hard.


The worst I did on the 200 was with 50km commuting spins, the best with 125 commuting spins. Get the miles in and 65% effort going around and you'll be right.
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: saccades on 22, May, 2018, 10:48:09 PM
How's everyone doing?


About to start my commute again and did 95km at the weekend.


Fitted a semi instead of a compact in error, going to struggle on the hills I suspect.
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: simonr on 23, May, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
I did a 40km road spin a couple of weeks ago - hope that's enough :0

Seriously - I've done a couple of long (>80km) mountain bike spins so I'll just have to find out whether it along with previous road biking is sufficient.

Frank and I were discussing a 150km spin this weekend if we get the chance - Taylors, Laragh, Wicklow Gap, Glenmalure, Sally Gap and home. Any interest?

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Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: Juan on 24, May, 2018, 09:06:35 AM

Frank and I were discussing a 150km spin this weekend if we get the chance - Taylors, Laragh, Wicklow Gap, Glenmalure, Sally Gap and home. Any interest?

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that sounds like a great spin, unfortunately my road bike is abroad. I would join a mtb long spin Sunday, a 5+ hours spin on the Wicklow trails.
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: saccades on 26, May, 2018, 12:30:23 AM
Wicklow gap to glenmalure? Doubling back on yourself?


Still working on stamina rather than climbing.
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: edson on 01, June, 2018, 08:31:10 PM
I'll be doing the 100k with a crowd from work - watch out for the skittles jersies!

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Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: saccades on 09, June, 2018, 10:12:18 AM
I'm rolling out as soon as I have registered at 6am, just trying to find a shop that sell p20.


Checked the saddlebag etc and discovered my pump had corroded into an unusable mess.



Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: ruth:D on 09, June, 2018, 10:54:38 AM
Good luck tomorrow all. Don't forget the suncream!
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: Liam Phelan on 09, June, 2018, 03:03:25 PM
Yeah good luck, plenty of water and salty foods tomorrow because you sweat like crazy.
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: Juan on 09, June, 2018, 04:29:04 PM
Exactly: good luck and donít forget to drink! I am sure you all will finish with a great performance
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: Reckless on 09, June, 2018, 07:02:57 PM
Best of luck all.
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: krezi on 09, June, 2018, 08:26:20 PM
good luck guys!
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: David D on 09, June, 2018, 11:50:44 PM
Best of luck to all the Madser Roadies tomorrow.

Water, fuel & sunscreen all day.

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Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: saccades on 10, June, 2018, 09:25:15 PM
I must be first back so...


Struggled on the climbs as I've not practiced them, some really slow times compared to last year but I was well able to get up, just no speed.


Flew on the flat catching up and took full advantage of the dry roads on the descents (snow has chewed up some savagely) so that I finished 5 mins faster than last year. Really happy with that as just over 3 months ago I was a bit ill and it really set me back this year. My target for today was under 10 hours but managed 8'50" (ish, had to grab a pint at the meetings pub...).


Worked well with two lads (a work colleague and a nordie whose wife had bought him entry and flights etc from Boston) and have to give them big thanks.
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: edson on 10, June, 2018, 10:27:30 PM
I must be first back so...


Struggled on the climbs as I've not practiced them, some really slow times compared to last year but I was well able to get up, just no speed.


Flew on the flat catching up and took full advantage of the dry roads on the descents (snow has chewed up some savagely) so that I finished 5 mins faster than last year. Really happy with that as just over 3 months ago I was a bit ill and it really set me back this year. My target for today was under 10 hours but managed 8'50" (ish, had to grab a pint at the meetings pub...).


Worked well with two lads (a work colleague and a nordie whose wife had bought him entry and flights etc from Boston) and have to give them big thanks.
Savage stuff! I was meant to do the 100k but had to pull out with bruised ribs and sore hand (took a spill in ticknock the other day).

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Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: David D on 10, June, 2018, 10:33:25 PM
Fair play Ian. Tough day for it.

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Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: simonr on 11, June, 2018, 06:56:05 AM
Had a few questions going into the event
- What difference to time would it make cycling with a stronger rider? (Andy Shortcut)
- Does 80-100km on a mountain bike prepare you for the road?
- Can you get away with doing 1 100km road training spin for the WW200?
- Would a knee problem return?


Previous effort was in 2016 using the old route and I cycled with a friend and had both been in training for the Ironman 70.3 - with plenty of road training including cycling to Galway (235km) and others - for some reason I had it in my head that we had managed approx. 7.5 hours moving time.


Andy and I kicked off shortly after 7am. This year the WW200 started from Bray and took in a climb from Enniskerry to Djouce at the very start rather than a bit of N11 and then the climb to the Sugarloaf - it felt like a tougher start. Around Laragh we caught Frank Kelly and we started riding together.
For the first 100km I think we were quite strong and in fact at the halfway mark were not far from being on schedule for 7 hours moving time. However by 75km and the stop in Baltinglass my knee had flared up to the extent that I knew I needed to pop some anti inflammation drugs or wouldn't finish - cursing my forgetfulness, local ibuprofen rules and the closed chemists , was lucky enough to get help from a family cheering us on from their house. The drugs really worked!


From past experience I thought that the 3 climbs and descents from 106km to 130km would be the major challenge of the event, and that was mostly the case. I was strong enough on the climbs, but certainly needed to be because Andy and Frank were flying on the descents leaving me lots of catching to do - this was manageable for Slieve Mann, but for Shay Elliot I was too far behind to catch up and after the Shay Elliot descent I must have been a good distance behind. Time trialled like crazy between Laragh and Rathdrum but I knew that the guys could be in a train, and even if not then an Andy / Frank train would be hard to catch - I think I nearly caught them by Rathdrum but a combination of pushing and bad marshalling meant I missed the feed station, added a short climb and km or 2 to the ride! The post 100km hilly section also answered the question about road specific training - my lowest gear ratio is 39:28 (in 2013 I did it with 39:25!!) and the mountain bikes have much lower gears - this needed specific training or at least a modified set up - Andy was running a semi-compact 36:28 which seemed to help.


The solo time trial pace took quite a lot out of me and in combination with a real mix of food at the stops, electrolyte and sugary drinks the remainder was a combination of highs and lows with quite an uncomfortable stomach.


We jumped into a couple of really fast trains - one in particular with Orwell Wheelers which flew along - great in some ways, but as a complete novice it took a lot of concentration and I didn't feel comfortable enough to drink during that period - probably not a great plan on the day!


So I didn't feel as strong at the finish as on previous occasions, but was still going fast enough and felt like I was putting in more effort - Frank was having a great day particularly compared to our training spin a couple of weeks before and Andy was well Ö just as you would expect, making it look easy.


As it happened, we had posted an improvement on the 2016 time and went further and higher - here are the numbers.


2018 202km, 3012m climbing, 7:35:38 moving time, 194w average weighted power, average speed 26.6km/h


2016 199km, 2800m climbing, 7:49:24 moving time, 188w average weighted power, average speed 25.4km/h

Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: Mudslinger on 11, June, 2018, 07:45:36 AM
Well done lads!!
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: RobH on 11, June, 2018, 08:48:16 AM
Great reports lads. Sounds like a great event, and you even got the weather :-)
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: David D on 11, June, 2018, 10:09:39 AM
Fair play lads,  great times

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Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: Juan on 11, June, 2018, 12:57:00 PM
I take my hat of to you. Fair play to you all
Title: Re: Wicklow 200 2018
Post by: shortcut on 12, June, 2018, 01:01:13 PM
It was a cracking spin, god riding with Simon and Frank - it was also an exhausting weekend and work is providing a nice rest.


Roadie etiquette especially chain gangs are great if you have the time served, instruction and experience but is daunting if youíve not had that.


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